Processor manufacturer ARM has introduced new processors that automatically recognize illegal copies of movies. The processor was created in collaboration with Hollywood and will allow content creators to prevent piracy on mobile platforms. The Mali-V500 chip is basically a regular processor from ARM, but it has anti-piracy protection that automatically detects illegal movies and videos. According to ARM, the new chip meets the most stringent anti-piracy standards for mobile devices today.
We must not forget that processors Apple pros iOS devices are built on the ARM architecture and if someone decides to use similar protection, it will most likely be the world leader in online video distribution and audio content, i.e. Apple and his iTunes StoreThe Mali-V500 was developed at the request of Hollywood and is the first mobile chip optimized to prevent the spread of pirated video copies. However, according to available information, the chip can only recognize pirated videos at 720p and higher resolutions.
According to the ARM spokesperson and according to assumptions, the studios will now push the manufacturers of mobile phones, multimedia players and tablets to use the new chips in their devices. In addition, the Mali-V500 is a separate chip, but it is used more for the demonstration of a new function than as a separate product, the new pirate video recognition function can be connected in hardware to almost all new chips that ARM will produce and it is very likely that manufacturers will show an increased demand for such chips interest.
ARM Mali-V500 offers the latest DRM protection and is the world's first chip to offer hardware protection against illegal video playback. Hollywood studios and Netflix are excited about what ARM has introduced, according to ARM's VP of Marketing Chris Porthouse, who spoke to FinancThe Times reported: "Hollywood studios and content distributors like Netflix place their greatest value in the content they distribute, so they want to protect digital rights at the hardware level, from download to display."
*Source: torrentfreak.com, arm.com
And it's after earthworms...
Hell hell hell, the dark ages are beginning, we will tell our children about the freedom they can only dream of. Something like gasoline for a crown.
I just approve. Perhaps it will have a positive effect on the prices of Bluray movies or the prices of cinema tickets.
What is this nonsense? so I would be interested in how it is possible to recognize a pirated copy from the original and, moreover, in real time and without the Internet. In addition, after a week some hack will show up and the chip will only work as a waste of battery...
A glimmer of hope?
Johnny
What kind of freedom are you going to tell your children about please? About when you could steal movies and music from the internet? And now, when someone comes up with a solution to prevent it, do you perceive it as an interference with your freedom? ...I don't know about you, but you probably have a slightly strange view of the reality of the matter.
so that's good shit:
3/4 of the serials I would like to buy cannot be found in Slovakia, so how should I watch them? Should I wait until the marquis buys the big bang theory?? :D :D :D
and the DVD usually comes out 2-3 months after the release of the film or series
series like smallville can't be found here either, it's just that you can't buy it here
Jarys::::::::::::
point of view, if the prices were reasonable in relation to the salaries, it's not a problem, but I personally don't know anyone who makes money and buys films,
I'm one of the few who earns money and buys PC and Xbox games, because I'm of the opinion that if something is fun for the long term, it's good to support the developer
Johnny: User iOS will tell about freedom :D
Jarys, you are really naive when you think that it will have a positive effect on the price of cinema tickets, or DVDs or blurays.. The only thing that will benefit is that the Hollywood collection will line their pockets even more. If the price of DVD and Blu-ray movies were not so inflated, they would certainly be stolen less, not to mention the prices of movie tickets.
Amnart
yes, that's right, you have to wait for the TV to buy your favorite series! I don't understand that you take theft for granted and excuse it by saying that it cannot be bought in Slovakia!
And if you want to bring up points of view, turn it around and imagine that the reason the prices are so high is because people like you are stealing it instead of buying it!
The argument like "I don't know anyone who works and buys movies" can really only be made by you. Piracy has become so rampant that people take it for granted and would actually feel like fools to pay for a movie when it's free on the internet. That's why movie ticket prices are so high, that's why carrier prices are so high, and that's why the quality level is going down, because there's just a lot of quality creators who, thanks to thieves, it's not worth doing.
How would you like it if you went to work for a whole month and at the end of it you got 1/3 of your pay for your work with the words from your employer "Sorry Amnart, people stole your work over the internet and few people bought it legally, so there is no pay for you". You, in particular, could screw yourself up, how would you curse a bad and unfair system!
But then in the evening you go and illegally download a movie from the Internet and you feel that it's okay.
…just for completeness – I don't work in the music or film industry. It's just that I wasn't taught to steal at home, and if someone takes it for granted, I approve of any possibility to prevent them from doing it, because thanks to such people, prices for honest people are unnecessarily higher than they should be!
It seems like crap to me, I don't want to believe that it would work, and even if it did, I'm already embarrassed when I have to tell people that they can't send me a picture via Bluetooth and when I have to convince people to buy it. iPhone and they find out that you can't send a file via Bluetooth, it doesn't support FLAC, you have to buy an app (of course there's a jailbreak, but that doesn't matter now) and now it won't play a movie? My God.
Well, this is pretty stupid, so first of all, I don't know how to recognize it or if I have pirated copies, and the next thing is that I go to the cinema very often, I pay for the tickets and when I like a movie, I download it and have it on my HDD at home and we go to see it and this simply won't allow me. Even though I already paid for the film, this is a stupid way to get even more money
8400
you are completely wrong, it is exactly the other way around (see my comment for Amnart). Let me explain in a little more detail…
Advertising is an integral part of films and product placement. When making films and setting the price for advertising in a film, the main factor is the number of viewings of the film, which also includes the black illegal market. (For every advertiser, it is most important that advertising in a film has the greatest impact on the largest possible number of viewers). So if someone really manages to create reliable protection against illegal films, there will be a decrease in viewings of the film - because most people would rather not watch the film at current prices (see, for example, Amnart). As a result, film companies would lose financial income from advertising companies and thus be pressured to reduce the prices of film screening rights for cinemas and distribution companies. Try to find out how much of the price of such a ticket goes to what, how much of the Bluray sale goes to what, how much of the film screening goes to what, etc.
In everything, the loss for pirated copies is significantly included.
So no, I don't agree with the opinion that the price of the film is high, that's why films are stolen, but I hold the opposite opinion! Because movies are stolen, their price is high!
jarys, who are you defending? And what nonsense are you writing here that movies are expensive because piracy is banned? How do you want to tell me that in 1996, when Titanic was released, piracy was also bad, that the film only made 2 billion dollars? Do you think piracy affected avatar which only made 2 billion dollars because of it or avengers 1.5 billion dollars? maybe not, if the publishers didn't release the crap and then didn't want to make up for the losses with other crap, then the price would be lower, they're just defending themselves against piracy, nothing more
Roman Z.
You're right that we often agree, however LSA is o Apple, so I'll get back to the topic. Take how much Tim earns per month (it's so much that it doesn't matter)anceven spend his whole family), how much does the entire management earn Apple. Next, take a high price Apple products in which these salary costs are included. According to the logic of some debaters, it is therefore perfectly fine if I go and steal, for example, iPhone. After all, it's so expensive and the whole thing Apple they only line their pockets on it, after all, it is the company with the largest financial reserve in the accounts...
Do you feel the sting of it? The worst part is that a lot of local punks would do it without any problem and still feel good about it, like it's nothing nestThe only thing stopping them from doing so (no, it's not a moral barrier) is that they iPhone or another Apple the product cannot be downloaded from the Internet...
Jarys: I would say both, when those films were sold in paper wrappers for 30 CZK, over time I bought about 3 kilos of them, even though they were complete Bs.
But as far as I remember, good movies are expensive and I won't spend so much on them in the foolish hope that they will get cheaper.
These processors are perhaps the first sign of a slowdown in piracy, but it will be some time before the movies become cheaper.
And another thing is that I really think that the good films don't have a problem with paying the costs.
Espio
now imagine how much those movies would make if everyone who saw it went to the cinema or bought the movie at home. That would only be the amount.
You know, you name the most commercially unsuccessful films, but they're not the only ones being made, and those directors and producers didn't make such blockbusters the first time either. 90% of the films and series you've seen end with miniwith little profit and often at a loss. Nevertheless, these are films and series that are great, but they are not pure popcorn entertainment for the masses and entire families. They often end up at a loss thanks to pirates. If there was no other option than to go to the cinema to see a film or buy it, there would be much more quality work. Unfortunately, the situation is what it is and only megalomaniac projects are destined to succeed.
Espio, hold hands with Amnart and go somewhere together for a stolen cup of coffee, play some stolen MP3 and talk about how the world is corrupt and how the corporations are robbing you... :-)
Jarys:::
Of course, if the movies on DVD cost as much as a cinema ticket or €10, people would buy them, but if someone wants €20-30 for a Blu-ray movie, it's simply too much for watching it 2-3 times in 5-10 years
If I buy a collection of Star Wars movies, it takes about 10 hours, so is it worth it, or is it worth buying the series
When I buy a game, I expect playing time from 8 hours or more, if it costs up to €25, if it costs €40-50, then I expect 30-100 hours of playing
That is, if the films are cheaper, more people will buy them and make money on DVDs, that's how people will download them, because no one will pay €20 for a movie when a ticket to the cinema costs €7
In fact, the said chip is pretty much stolen from me - if stealing movies isn't the norm, I'll be happy. ... the argument that the actors have enough and the studios too - the same rule of supply and demand should apply as elsewhere - if something is too expensive, then of course there will be people who won't buy it. But I have no idea why watching movies should be some kind of constitutional or fundamental right that takes precedence over anyone's right to sell their time and effort to the highest or most advantageous bidder.
BUT ... I'm more interested in whether this device can also distinguish my RIP from BD (that is, from the media I bought at home and whose tracking I paid for) from a pirated copy in the sense of someone else's RIP, which I (if I were a pirate) ) downloaded... I can't think of how, so I'm just afraid that we'll throw the baby out with the bathwater - in short, if some future phone doesn't allow me to play my current collection, then I have an undeserved problem.
jarys I don't know if you understood me, I pay for art things as I wrote, I go to the cinema, I have no need to steal. I just appealed to you because piracy has a very small share of earnings, otherwise I agree with you, only this doesn't suit me.. And another thing, no one will download any low-budget movies because no one is interested in them, only the megalomaniac ones are always downloaded in the largest number movies.. And so that I don't forget, I admit that I also download movies, but only the ones that I can't get any other way, usually they are older movies
Gentlemen, this reminds me a bit of witch trials...
As far as I read the discussion, no one here writes about the days of VHS tapes, I'm sure you all remember how it was then :), if you wanted to see a movie, you copied it from the tape (by connecting 2 videos), or you waited until the will be shown on TV, people used to go to rental shops a lot, but I would be surprised if they didn't copy the film again... and I'm not talking about the black copies sold at markets etc... it all follows that films have always been "stolen" and will continue to be stolen. . one always finds a way, and it's certainly not just the practice of the last few years :) so making excuses for the past is quite misguided.. and now feel free to make me a heretic, it won't change anything :)
Jarys: when movies are cheap, I'll buy them. This is how the market generally works, it doesn't work the other way around.
In my opinion, it is wrong to think that everyone who stole a film would buy it at current prices if they didn't have the opportunity to steal it. Most people simply wouldn't buy it and watch it.
It's in the hands of the movie distributors. And also us customers. It's just that if I decide that it's worth the money, I'll give it, and if not, then I won't.
I wouldn't buy the movie for that money, so I'll download a copy, so no one misses out. If I were to steal something material, it would have a value and I would be harming someone, and that is the moral prohibition
Jarys: I'm glad there are people with your views. I totally agree and you have my respect! I've slowly come to the opinion that I'm the last person to buy movies and music, and it seems normal to him!
...however, such a chip is absolute nonsense and will be surpassed before it appears on the market...and moreover, in today's world, which is shaped by androids = i.e. a world where even 20-crown software is stolen?
I see the future in the equivalent of stupidity like free to play... ...free to watch...
Johny
I take it that way for movies, but not for games because they are also sold digitally via Steam, where they are often cheap
And there the producers/creators depended on it
However, it's always about the quality of the game/film - if a lot of money is asked for something and it's just a waste, why buy it
Sure, it's nonsense to think that every pirate who downloads a movie would go to the cinema or buy it on Bluray without this option. Anyway, I will respond to Amnart again.
Today, he wants €20-30 for the movie on Bluray, because only a really narrow group of enthusiasts will buy it, and others who are not such enthusiasts for this film will download the movie. Anyway, if the pirates had no other choice, some of them would buy the movie. Due to the prevalence of piracy, sales could easily increase several times. For this to be the case, the market price would have to adjust.
So just in illustrative numbers. Currently, around 10.000 Blurays of the film XY are sold worldwide for €25, and another 1.000.000 download the film from the Internet. If someone were to invent the described sophisticated protection, of the 1 million maybe 500.000 pirates would buy the film for €5 and the rest would cough up the film. So, at that moment, instead of €250.000 (€10 x €25), the author would earn €2.550.000 (€510 x €5) from the sale.
Someone will object, so why doesn't the seller do it directly, but unfortunately most pirates are people who, if they have the opportunity to save even the 5€ and download it from somewhere for free, they will do it and refuse to buy. These people need to be forced to do so by not having any other option.
Na iOS This is probably the first time I started buying music and games, before that I only bought Need for Speed.
And it's cool that it costs 20 CZK, I paid 5€ for iMovie and I really don't regret it. But those movies are really expensive and won't keep you entertained for very long
Jarys
That's exactly what I meant, that if the manufacturer makes it cheaper, they will make more money
No one understands why I buy a game when it can be downloaded, but I respect the creator of the game
If the game doesn't have a demo, I'll download it and if I like it I'll buy it, if not I'll delete it right away, those are the cases when it costs €40
When the game costs up to €25-30, I'll watch YouTube videos and if they're good, I'll buy them
Johnny
I really don't understand you. You just download a movie for fun (that means the movie has some value and benefit to you), but on the other hand, you only do that if it's free.
You are exactly the person I am talking about in the last paragraph of my previous post.
It's just that if there is an opportunity to download it somewhere for free, I'll do it just out of principle. After all, I'm not going to spend my hard-earned hard-earned money on that. But that film didn't come about by itself either, and someone worked hard to make it. So why do you think it's morally okay not to pay him for it?
If it's such a bad movie that doesn't deserve your money, then I don't understand why you're wasting your time watching it. If the movie is worth 2 hours of your time, it's obviously worth your money, right?
Exactly as "Voldzi" writes, there are a lot of people who would rather get Android or JB and illegally install Apps worth CZK 20, which they will then use almost every day, but will claim that they wouldn't have bought it for that money .
Then every anti-piracy measure has always been broken, so I think this is just another challenge for hackers…..
Amnart
to your first sentence "I thought exactly that if the manufacturer gives it cheaper, they will make more money" ... that unfortunately won't work, because as I wrote, if there is an opportunity to steal it somewhere for free, unfortunately most of these people won't buy it either for €5.
I can personally say that AppleTV and the possibility to buy movies + iTunes for music are great things. Sometimes I go to the cinema for a new release and it completely satisfies my needs. I really have no reason to go to warez sites to look for movies and music there with uncertain results, when it can be so conveniently obtained through my "i" device. (There could only be an offer of Czech films on AppleTV bigger…)
Amnart
to your first sentence "I thought exactly that if the manufacturer gives it cheaper, they will make more money" ... that unfortunately won't work, because as I wrote, if there is an opportunity to steal it somewhere for free, unfortunately most of these people won't buy it either for €5.
I can personally say that AppleTV and the possibility to buy movies + iTunes for music are great things. Sometimes I go to the cinema for a new release and it completely satisfies my needs. I really have no reason to go to warez sites to look for movies and music there with uncertain results, when it can be so conveniently obtained through my "i" device. (There could only be an offer of Czech films on AppleTV bigger…)
Jarys: the creator deserves my money, but not that much.
Processor? Perhaps the GPU, but Apple It does not use small graphics
If the chip is only capable of detecting embedded protection at 720p, it will prevent both maxat least for HD rips. Lower resolution will pixelate or otherwise "smear" due to the embedded protection. There is no other way to prevent rips from being played than by inserting checkpoints that ARM will detect during playback.
question, how do I know that the movie is worth my "extorted money" or not? if I have no way to find out other than to buy it? I personally download a movie, I wonder, and then I go to the cinema depending on how interesting the movie is. would you go to a store where the package would be wrapped in opaque packaging with no description at a price of 300 kc? What are the return options? I don't, and the trailer or review is usually taken by naysayers :)
And you wrote here that if there are fewer pirates, movies will be cheaper... only a naive person can think that really :D less pirates only means more profit and maxI hope someone will thank us at the microphone. I don't believe even by mistake that someone will say, hey, people are buying more of our films so we can make them cheaper :D that's not even a coincidence... or at least not on the planet I live on :)
Simply, this will never work until there is an offer at reasonable prices, all film distributors let me take an example from iTunes Music. Today, I buy all the songs there, as well as all the video clips for them. The movie offer is miserable and if they are not even able to provide subtitles for it - I wish iTunes Movie the best of luck, that's about all there is to say.
Jarys, it's your opinion and I don't take it from you, but the main profits of the films do not come from the advertising that is in the film..
I am attaching one article:
Wellesley College researchers from the University of Minnesota conducted a study in which they tracked the development of movie theater sales before and after BitTorrent appeared in 2003 and found that the impact on movie theater profits was essentially non-existent in North America. Cinema sales have grown by 25% over the past four years, a period associated with the rise of internet downloads.
But the situation is different for the non-American market, after the launch of BitTorrent there was a 7% drop in profits, but this is not only due to the fact that people do not intend to pay for a movie ticket, but the main reason is the time lag between the American premiere and the premiere in the country,
It was found that the longer the time gap, the more significant the decrease in profits from cinemas. Which is quite logical, when for some films there are several weeks to months differences between the premieres in the US and non-American countries.
So, according to that, illegal movie downloads have no impact on cinema sales, which are still rising. So your argument that the prices are high precisely because of illegal downloads is completely wrong. Since 2007, the net sales of Czech cinemas have been above the threshold of 1,2 billion per year, which I think is not a little. forget about the successful promotion of unnamed Czech cinemas, when once a year they reduce the price of admission to CZK 150)
apple goes bankrupt…. samsung and others will increase profits …. keep going!!!! :-)
If I want to have fun with some popcorn, I have no problem going to the cinema. This happens when I want to watch something less sloppy at home, because the movies I'm interested in are often difficult to even download, let alone buy.
Well, let's all calm down... As I found out elsewhere, this protection is supposed to prevent STREAMING to unauthorized devices (decoding the content does not "leave" DRM) and thus prevent illegal capture and storage of such distributed content (and thus potential leakage into the "free space"). So there really is nothing to worry about, because there are ponemore DVD and BD rips that are not affected by this "protection"... ;)
this chip is not really usable yet and if it is, I believe that it will not be a problem to bypass this protection, just like a simple jailbreak :-). One of the battles that will certainly not decide the entire war, whether for the so-called greedy Hollywood or the so-called real cyber serious criminals... the problem is that not only Hollywood but also the music industry cannot offer a reasonable new business model... I guess it's similar to the oil and energy industry industry... we simply like to pay for energy, we are sheep, instead of realizing that the reward is not found in power, money or in pissing, but in joy and benefit for the whole society...
The question remains, which manufacturer will find the courage to massively deploy these processors in their most important products, if they would really prevent the playback of copies of movies. Hollywood can gloat all they want, until they can offer movies to watch for reasonable money on any network connected TV, they will make money on 8 out of 10 movies. And that's his problem. Not ours.
Jarys, I understand what you mean, but this time I disagree with you. I remember well the time when CDs could not be burned so there was no loss and yet CDs were outrageously overpriced, especially here and no one forced distributors to lower prices. Bands didn't even have to go to concerts and still worked until they appeared in large mp3 format and then it was suddenly a big deal. The price is suddenly favorable and you can even buy one for just a few crowns. Singers have to see their money through live performances, so let's say they work like everyone else and not just 2 months in the studio. The same thing happens with games. Like sorry but 1500 for a game that I enjoy max I've grown out of it since the PS1 days where you couldn't just copy it. Unfortunately, if there's no piracy, there's no competition and the price will only go up.
Jarys, I understand what you mean, but this time I disagree with you. I remember well the time when CDs could not be burned, so there was no loss, and yet CDs were outrageously overpriced, especially here, and no one forced distributors to lower prices. Bands didn't even have to go to concerts, and yet they made money until they appeared in large mp3 formats, and then suddenly it was a big deal. The price is suddenly favorable and you can even buy just one song for a few crowns. Singers have to earn their money by performing live, so let's say, working like everyone else and not just 2 months in the studio. The same thing happens with games. Like sorry, but 1500 for a game that I enjoy max I've grown out of it since the PS1 days where you couldn't just copy it. Unfortunately, if there's no piracy, there's no competition and the price will only go up.
Sorry, but I had to throw it in one more time with a correction.
Jarys:
You are calculating with completely meaningless numbers. For one thing, as someone already wrote here, the same number of people who download the movie would not pay for it. You're completely ignoring the fact that illegal copies give the film free publicity - they spread awareness about it. I'm not going to count here if there are more people who buy the film because they hear about it from people around them who have taken it over than there are people who would have bought it if it wasn't downloadable. Because it can't be calculated. No one knows what it would be like. But to think that creators would be making higher profits is a very bold claim.
A lot of people download series for the simple reason that they are not available here. Me too, and it's hard for anyone to make me feel ashamed of it. The creator doesn't want my money, he doesn't even offer me the option to buy, and he doesn't feel that I download the movie. He will not miss either the film or the profit.
For another, comparing downloading a movie to theft iPhone in commerce is completely misguided. The law arose as a result of a conflict over limited resources, from the simple principle that two people cannot own the same thing. The theft of a physical thing makes it impossible for the original owner to manipulate it, copying a film does not. In the vast majority of cases, the person in question will not even know about it – he will not feel it. Where there is no harm, there is no crime. And to consider the failure to meet future expectations – income – of the person who created the thing as harm is not causing harm. It is simply a bad investment on his part. Intellectual property is a relatively young concept, it does not arise from the needs of objective reality. And as a result, it is completely nestincompatible with the concept of property rights as we have known it for thousands of years. It undermines absolute rights to physical things and the right to dispose of one's own body. Law was not created to guarantee someone a profit, but to eliminate natural conflict.
Patents and copyrights serve to monopolize an industry. I don't know if they encourage invention or hinder it. There are many studies, and they are often contradictory. What I do know is that they are immoral. Before the invention of intellectual property, I owned my body, my vocal cords, my hands, my thoughts. Today, that is no longer the case. When it is possible to download something as complex as iPhone, so a new industrial revolution will occur.
For a while I thought about whether to respond at all, because it is obvious that this is a "fight with windmills" on my part.
However, a final comment on the matter:
Johnny:
"the creator deserves my money, but not that much." ...so actually, if it's expensive for you, it's okay that you don't pay anything for it. It would be fine if you said that it's expensive for you and maybe wait until it's not new and it's on sale. But no, it's expensive, so I'll download it for free from the internet right now.
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zloutekk:
Do you want to tell me that you download a movie, watch it and if it was good, you go to see the same movie for money at the cinema? Sorry, but I really don't believe that.
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8400:
It's nice of you to refer to such statistics. But the paying moviegoers will pay for the movie even for those who steal it from the Internet. I hope it's clear to you that if the paying people got away with it and everyone downloaded it from the internet, no one would make new movies, because why would they do it for free? De-facto, therefore, pirates are robbing paying movie theater customers. How much do you have statistics for that? :-)
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Hunter:
Just because you want to look at something doesn't give you the right or create any entitlement to see it, so as an argument it really doesn't matter. nestThere are a lot of expensive goods that are not sold here and yet no one talks about the right to own them and it is not a defense for their illegal acquisition.
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JK:
you're obviously talking about a time when CDs were a novelty and not just anyone could afford a CD player. Imagine that someone had to develop CD technology and that development cost a huge amount of money that needed to be earned back. CD production was extremely difficult and expensive. Today it is an outdated technology and long since paid for. Just like the first DVD movies, I bought them for 800 (and 800 back then was comparable to today's 1.000). Today, the new DVD is half the price. It will be the same with Bluray…
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i don't remember:
If you read my posts, I was the first to mention the share of illegal views included in the prices for advertising in the film, when the black market is calculated and is an integral part of the pricing policy. If this black market were to disappear, the number of viewings of the film would decrease and thus the income from advertising in the film would decrease rapidly. Film companies would have to take steps to increase the legal viewing of the film and this would put enormous pressure on distribution and sales prices...
I quote “…someone wrote, the same number of people who download the movie would not pay for it anywhere near” If you read my posts carefully, that someone was me who mentioned this.
It's nice of you to paraphrase texts about intellectual property and damages, but are you really sure you understand the meaning of the text? Do you really feel that if you rob someone and they don't find out and don't know about it, it's okay and no harm will come to them?
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I'll just summarize. Instead of the majority admitting that they are committing crimes by downloading movies miniAt least something unethical (unless you want to call it theft), so he invents arguments, paraphrases texts he doesn't understand and defends his actions in every possible way by blaming them on corrupt organizations, bad pricing policies and lots of other meaningless arguments.
By the way, how many of you pay the TV license fee? I can already hear the arguments….after all, on TV they show all the bullshit! Did someone tell you that? Or how do you know if you don't watch TV? I assume that most people have seen a few movies, a lot of news and other programs on TV in a year (although I agree that most of them contain junk) If I take how much the fee is for a year and how much it cost me to watch a minute of TV, is it really EXPENSIVE? No, it's not, it's a few crowns! So why is it common that the few crowns for TV are not paid here???
It would be great if someone did some research with a site where they put the latest movies for free download and put a "if you liked the movie, send $10 to the author" button next to each movie. I'm absolutely sure that 9 out of 10 of you whining about the high prices here would go home with hours of fun and not pay a penny. You will certainly tell me how it is not true and that you are the honest ones, but my opinion is that you are HYPOCRITES!
…so in conclusion. Everything described above is your business, and it's up to you whether you justify it with movie studio profit statistics, or a paraphrase of intellectual property law, or high prices, or something else entirely. I pay for the movies and thanks to me you have something to watch. So have fun ;-)
Jarys, if only, we would be in heaven.. I just wanted to show you that your argument that the prices are high precisely because the films are downloaded is beyond me. So it's not the pirates who are robbing the paying people, but the cinemas and the filmmakers themselves. And the directors and actors can thank you, not us, because thanks to you, those films are here ;)
8400:
You don't explain it to him when you download a movie that you wouldn't buy because it's broken or overpriced, so neurono harm, because you didn't want to go to the cinema or buy a DVD anyway..
but if you download the game you want and keep playing it, in my opinion you will do harm, it's also about what the given thing gives you and for how much
I also don't agree that they should pay millions to the actors, I'd rather let the millions go to the game developers who are trying to make a quality sequel, although it doesn't always work out, it's like that with movies that the 2nd and 3rd parts are already shit...
It's clear that I won't buy Blu-ray movies for €30 when they arrive 3-5 months later... and at that price
it doesn't matter how much people earn, whether it's €300/500/800/1000, nobody gives €30 for a movie or €20, just maxmaybe as a gift but not for myself,
Amnart:
Just a question, why are you downloading junk that you wouldn't go to the cinema to watch? Do you have so much time that you waste it watching movie junk? And if it's not trash and you take it, then why would you steal it?
It doesn't matter when Bluray comes out, that's not an argument. You should go to the cinema for a new movie if you need to see it now! If you liked the movie and want to see it again after a while, buy Bluray, where you also have some bonus.
Imagine that I have about 200 original DVDs and about 80 Blurays + several movies in my home AppleTV.
You're right, they won't explain it to me, because not a single argument has succeeded in convincing me otherwise, that they simply PAY for movies (for entertainment).
If you don't have the money, make a campfire in the evening and watch the fire. You can even fry a burrito ;-)
Whoever wants to pay, let him pay, whoever wants to steal it will steal it anyway.
I'm not saying the film industry doesn't have money, but it's not normal to throw millions at them either. It's the same as athletes who take in more than they would spend in several generations. And the fact that they won't earn that much and won't be able to buy 20 cars for their garage, well, let them get used to it a little. maximal comfort and start living realistically.
There are so many people suffering from hunger and common diseases in the world every day that it would be better if the money that the "unnecessarily rich" have was invested more wisely.
Jarys, I'll give you an excerpt from the article once more, and read it carefully:
It was found that the longer the time gap, the more significant the decrease in profits from cinemas. Which is quite logical, when for some films there are several weeks to months differences between the premieres in the US and non-American countries.
So the fact that when the Blu-ray comes out, or when the movie premieres, is certainly an argument.
Yes, entertainment is paid for, but the price must be commensurate with the benefit of the entertainment. Holt, it's probably up to everyone's common sense to consider whether it's worth it. And don't worry, I assure you that I have money for the cinema, I just refuse to fill the pockets of that verbage ;)
8400:
you just won't convince me :-)
I don't understand what kind of movies you watch, but I assume that most of them are not documentaries or reports that you have to see immediately after their release and can't wait a few days for the movie.
DAMN why do you still think that seeing a movie is some kind of your privilege and you have a right to it! There is no such thing, and even if there was a delay between the release of the movie in cinemas in the USA and in the Czech Republic, for example several years, and the price for the ticket was 2x higher, it does not excuse the fact that downloading the film is illegal!
Is the right to movie entertainment and the ability to immediately watch the latest movies enshrined in the constitution or something?
iPhone is also financially unaffordable for some people on the planet, and sales in their countries start a few weeks after sales in the US. So is there an excuse if the phone is stolen? After all, the management Apple and the shareholders are also rich with pockets full of money. So why would poor 8400 from Slovakia iPhone should it be paid? The only reason for this is that it is technically not possible to download the phone from the internet, right? Otherwise you would have downloaded the phone for free and claimed that its selling price does not match the fun it will give you and that Apple is the richest corporation that you will not sponsor with your meager salary. You would not iPhone He didn't buy it at the sale price, so everything is fine.
Am I understanding your logic correctly???
Amnart:
the comparison still occurs to me. Imagine paying €20/month for cable TV. But the neighbor to your left will hack into your cable and watch the same programs as you. No harm was done to you de-facto, right?
Then you meet and talk about a great match (say, football) that was on TV. But you paid €20/month to watch the match, but your neighbor didn't pay a cent. MiniYou'll almost feel like an idiot, right? Why pay for something when your neighbor has the same thing for free.
But the neighbor wouldn't buy a cable for that money, and by connecting to you, he doesn't harm you or the company, because he wouldn't have bought it for €20 (THAT ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC).
It starts to annoy you, so you unsubscribe from the cable box and connect with your neighbor for free to the cable box of the neighbor on your right. …the same scenario repeats itself.
But at that moment the company has already lost one paying customer and its costs are still the same. So the neighbor (to whom you are already two connected) will increase the price from €20 to €40 in order to keep the profit. Well, even for the first neighbor, this is a completely unacceptable price, and for you, it's actually twice as much as you paid.
….well, it will go on and on. And this is the same with the logic of downloading movies.
It's just that the few people who pay, that applies to all the parasites like you with your logic, how you don't cause anyone harm.
…And now tell me, if the company lowered the price back to €20, would you start paying again and connect normally or would you leave the cable plugged in black and pay nothing?
We could just talk about it here for a while.oneand I still wouldn't convince you. It's simply about the nature and mentality (especially of Eastern nations). So let's leave it at that, we've already deviated a lot from the topic of the article.
Jarys, you're really hard :) all I wanted to do was point out that your pseudo-arguments about the fact that the prices are high because people download it are stupid! Get it now!!
Next, you can calm down, it's just a discussion. I don't know why you talk about my "lousy" salary when you know a big fart about it, I'm sorry but it's just plain pathetic from you, at least I can see that your deductive skills are at a pretty low level :)
I don't know why you're confusing iPhone prices again? What does that have to do with it? Are we mixing pears and apples?? But anyway.. When using an iPhone 4 hours a day for 2 years, its price comes out to 5 CZK/hour, so no, I don't think it's overpriced like a cinema where you pay 150 CZK/2 hours. The price should be commensurate with the benefit!
And tooneIn conclusion, I didn't say anywhere that downloading is not illegal, but every normal person (meaning a sane person) sometimes downloads a movie. Yes, I also sometimes download a movie, but sometimes I also go to the cinema. And I don't consider myself a pirate, windows, office, photoshop, illustrator, flash, dreamweaver, indesign, eset, total commander, I bought everything legally, because there the price seemed REASONABLE to the benefit, respectively the return, so keep your bullshit and go buy some DVDs so that you don't have to spend the whole afternoon complaining about how unfair the world is and so that you can feel that what a service you are doing to us all, that thanks to you, films are still being made (too bad you're the only one who will think that, but that's okay!). Otherwise, when you want to tell me that you are in life nestiahol no movie, so I really feel sorry for you that you have seen only 280 movies in your collection in your entire life. too bad
Jarys
where I live the cable sucks...
with what is being broadcast and at the same time there is little availability of programs, there is nothing to watch
prefer a movie/serial from the net and it's solved
Once in a while I will also buy a movie on DVD, but for the fact that the chests don't have my favorite movie anywhere on DVD – my fault?? probably not
and I don't want to wait 3-5 months for the DVD either.... so when the DVD comes out it's already old, by then I'll be releasing other movies, games and series, and I don't want to waste my time on old things
——- as I always say, it doesn't matter how much I earn, but I will buy something if it gives me something for a reasonable price, a game that gives me more than 30-50 hours of playing time is worth €40 for me, a movie that is 2-3 hours long 8-10€ is good for me and I simply won't pay them more for it, the fact that the movie will be in Blu-ray I have to pay 3x that much...
€30 for 3 hours of time is simply a waste, I'll tell you
and as mentioned by 8400: I will also go to the cinema if I am looking forward to a movie and I know it will be a blockbuster, or that I enjoyed the previous part, so I will go to the cinema for the sequel, when I go to the cinema 1-2 times a year and …………
8400:
I also take it according to the utility value
real time of use of the item = price
If I buy a mobile phone, I will buy it. minifor about 1,5 years
if I buy a movie for €8-10, it's for 2-3 hours
that's why I'll never buy a bluray for €30 when it's only 3 hours long, I'm not an idiot..
for games, the same as I say €40 for something that gives a game time of more than 30 hours - 100 hours
€15 for something up to 10 hours
it's just that for me, the price must be worthy of the quality and time use of the thing
jarys, several people here responded only to part of your post and you kept talking about basically nothing and nobody said that downloading movies is legal, everyone defended the fact that the price of today's movies on hard media is overpriced, you have to admit it yourself a lot people would pay but not as much as now and that's why they withdraw it and the fact that you see it the other way is sad.. you should consider whether they are all crazy and you are the one who is right, try to think about what you are actually defending.. like this if the price of the movie was €5-10, do you think all the pirates would go to the trouble of looking for movies somewhere else when they have them available for a reasonable price? what you said at the beginning is completely wrong, that movies are expensive because there are pirates, try to reconsider your logic
Espio
So I have to stick up for Jarys here. Do you think that if most people download movies illegally that it is automatically ok? I don't understand this exactly, when a mass of people download movies illegally, it doesn't mean that it's right, then a Jarys like this appears here, who is honest and buys movies, but since his approach is fighting against the majority, you think he's a fool and don't think about it at all you don't think, because why, when EVERYONE downloads illegally.
Did Jakub read the whole discussion? and did you read my post? because I don't understand yours and I can't relate it to my reaction
Espio:
Obviously, I just have a different opinion on the matter than the majority here. If I don't have something to do, I just forgive myself. I understand that it can be a lot for someone and they can't afford it, but that can't be the argument for stealing it. That's the essence of the matter I'm talking about. I would still understand it for vital things like food or water, which are expensive and the homeless person can't afford it, so he steals it to survive.
Hell, we're talking about movies here, where if their price was in Ilion, it's not an argument for theft, is it??? If this entertainment is expensive for me, I will perhaps go out for a walk, but citing a high price as a reason for stealing is stupidity for a thing that I do not need for life. The price/performance ratio (benefit) is after all secondary. For me, buying a movie on Bluray, with good wine and food is a great evening spent and I don't regret the money.
Someone here argued to me that it costs CZK 150 for an hour of entertainment, which is too much and that only an idiot would buy it. I would like to know how much such a person earns at work per hour, if this is too much. "8400" took offense when I touched on his salary and called it miserable - don't be angry with me, but if CZK 500 for a movie and thus entertainment for the evening is such a big investment for someone, his salary will probably be nothing power.
As I wrote before, I give up and stop convincing you that if the price of anything is high for you, maybe you should scold yourself and not forge it, but by no means excuse the theft.
BTW for 8400: I have seen hundreds of movies in the cinema and yes, nestI watch movies, when I want something, I go and buy it ;-)
No one was offended, I'm just saying that it's poor of you, that's all. And as I said, your deductive thinking is really at a low level when you judge people (or infer from how much they earn) based on whether they are willing to pay 500 CZK for a movie. When all your thoughts are like this, my God! you must be a desperate person, maybe you're missing something ;) so think about what you wrote here for nonsense.. It's impossible to have a normal discussion with you, you just twist everything and express yourself completely off the point.. You'll say that I have to study something about it (whereas you obviously know a lot about it), so I will study it, I will give you arguments that what you write is not true and you are not able to admit it anyway (or even comment on it, rather here will you start dragging the price of the iPhone..???) that the price of movies does not depend on the number of pirates.. You are a really poor debater, so before you write something, really think about it!
jarys, no offense, but you are talking about nothing else, about yours and what no one here is even addressing anymore, you have always edited the topic the way you want and how you understand the other person, they have a problem here, then they lead you to some kind of wave that this discussion started on take it away.. you solve things that everyone has already agreed that you are right about them, but you still don't understand the essentials, but I don't have it either, because it's really impossible to discuss with you anymore, because you'll bring it back to your topic anyway
Espio
"You have to admit that the price of today's films on hard media is expensive, many people would pay but not as much as they are now, and that's why they download it, and the fact that you see it the other way is sad.."
Your comment!!! Yes, I read the whole discussion and I understand why Jarys gave up defending this matter.
I totally agree with him that downloading is pure theft like stealing an iPhone from a store. If I don't have it, I don't buy it. In addition, there is also some spiritual value here, both in films and in other things or products. For me, going to a movie or buying it doesn't just mean money spent, but there are a lot of factors that totally change the experience for me, e.g. my girlfriend and I have a great dinner, take a bath together and then I watch a movie that cost 300,-. Do you think that at that moment I will discuss how much the movie cost me, or the saffron risotto with salmon, or the candles for the bath??? The important thing is that after a long time spent at work, I have some free time, which I spend with my girlfriend.
The next day, I will only remember the experience that I have from that evening and not the fact that that evening cost me NOK 600.
Do you also understand the difference in that 300 is not the same as 300 if you add the value that you cannot quantify with money???
8400
Sorry, but we're obviously talking about something different because you feel that I'm a bad debater and I haven't read a single reasonable argument from you in all this time that would defend downloading a movie from the Internet!
Your arguments with Amnart like "it doesn't matter how much someone earns - only a fool can pay 500/- for a Blu-ray" I have to pass unnoticed. But when I write that it's normal for me to pay 500 for a Bluray and if it's too much for someone, they obviously don't earn enough, you start suggesting that I'm probably unhappy in life, that I'm missing something and other crap :-)
I'm at the restaurant now and I've ordered a second bottle of Veuve Clicquot. I would rather have Dôm Pérignon, but it is already too expensive for me. I guess I'll go behind the bar and steal a bottle! 6.000/- per bottle is terribly overpriced and only an idiot would buy it, obviously someone is just lining their pockets and the ratio between price and benefit is inadequate, for example against Bohemia Sekt!!! After all, I have the right to drink a luxurious Dom Pérignon tonight, despite the fact that I wouldn't normally buy it for NOK 6.000. :-D
Nevermind. Although you agree with me that downloading movies is wrong, but on the other hand, you keep throwing around hypocritical and senseless arguments to defend such behavior, how you are not actually causing anyone any harm, how you are actually poor people, because they line your pockets evil movie companies who release the movie late in theaters, release an overpriced Bluray, how you absolutely need to see the movie while it's new, etc. NONSENSE!
Oh and 8400:, you feel like I'm a desperate person? I don't understand by what title you are judging me now?! If I'm desperate, it's only because of the distorted opinions of individuals in this discussion :-) ...but don't worry, it's nothing I can't handle.
I'm going to get you a drink and if you and Amnart are ever in Prague, I'll invite you guys to the cinema ;-) I've been regularly donating to charity for several years, so I'll definitely take 2 extra tickets to the cinema!
Good evening ;-)
Jarys, I'm sorry I have to write it like this, but are you a complete moron?? No one defended the download, I'm telling you for the third time that all I wanted to do was explain to you that the number of pirates has no influence on the price of movies.
I didn't write that I was desperate anywhere, read it properly now :-) I wrote that AK your way of thinking is the same as your deductive thinking (that is, you deduce from whether a person is willing to pay 500 CZK for a movie, how much he earns - what is I think the only "crooked" opinion in this discussion) , then you must be desperate..Anyway, your reaction, and also the fact that you are sitting in a restaurant and still write posts here (so I assume that you are sitting there alone like a thumb) I suggest that you will really be desperate (nothing wrong with that) :-)
So, dear Jarys, I'll give you some advice..Always think about what you write, and instead of buying DVDs, go somewhere social, the company of people will only benefit you ;-) Yes, and I've lived in Prague for 6 years and I really don't need your invitation to the cinema, but if you want to meet some people, you know, so that you don't have to sit alone in restaurants and write posts here, feel free to contact me, I'll be happy to introduce you to some ;)
Jakub, I'm sorry, but I still don't know the context of what I wrote and what you're trying to say, it seems to me that you're out of the loop like Jarys or you don't understand Slovak properly and you're missing important things from my comment.. try to report to me how you are he understood what I wrote because I really don't care where you are going.
8400:
sorry for writing only now, I was just getting up…
1. For me, going to a restaurant is an everyday stereotype. I go there to relax with good food and drink. I understand that for some it may be something like an unconventional luxury experience and they will want to enjoy it undisturbed (so that the price-benefit ratio is as good as possible), but I have lunch and dinner every day in hotels and restaurants, so if I am alone at the table, I read the newspaper or, like now, LSA ;-) I see my wife less than I would like, so I don't want her to spend time by the stove!
2. I have more than enough friends, but you, as a person who was so successful at home in Slovakia that he even expanded to Prague, must understand that, right? But you're right, I was left alone yesterday, my friends had to get up for work this morning, so they went home a bit earlier.
3. Who would you like to introduce me to? :-D
No, thanks, the last Slovaks I employed robbed me (and it wasn't about movies), so I don't need to know any more now ;-)
...and now excuse me, I have to pack, because I'm a moron and I bought a "desperate" apartment in a "desperate" country and I'm flying "desperately" to look at it.
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I'm also unpleasantly surprised by how many of the debaters here really do it intentionally that they don't understand Jarys. At the same time, it simply cannot be written more clearly. The next level is perhaps just the proverbial "I'll draw you a diagram" :-)
Jarys!! Buy a plane too, no one cares, so stop bragging and go chase your ego elsewhere ;) otherwise you're scoring again, evaluating the whole nation just because of a bad experience that someone from Slovakia robbed you, such an evaluation is worthy of a person with limited thinking :)
I don't know what kind of expansion you're talking about, I'm just using options that your fellow citizens are not able to use :) and while we're at it, didn't you "expand" by chance to Prague from some peasant? I think I read your heart-wrenching life story here, how did you come to Florence with just a plastic bag, right? You act as if you own Prague, but the only thing you've created here are your highly intellectual comments like "I'm going to buy an apartment - who's more?".. You're just grinding two-for-three shit, it's funny to me :D
NO!! A man with your thinking cannot have friends! Not even the wife!! I DON'T BELIEVE IT!:D
Well done, Jeliman, at the next discussion, where you will definitely not comment on what we write here, but rather show off what you bought ;)
@iMac on the contrary, it started with Jarys mistakenly thinking that the price of dvd, bluray and cinema depends on the number of pirates. he started writing a little too much that downloading movies is illegal, immoral, etc.. We all know that it's illegal and 99% of you do it anyway (that 1% is Jarys and maybe a few more Indians), but Jarys forgot a little bit that the real the subject of the discussion is not to debate the illegality of downloading movies. Hell, if someone can't admit that he's wrong, he's just a zero :)
jarys, you wild hyena, you have now shown yourself
8400: well, it's not even illegal here. But the problem is elsewhere. The entertainment industry does not behave in a market-like manner, i.e. it does not adapt to customers, but tries to help the forces to bend the market according to itself.
This industry exists on the market with certain characteristics, among which is the fact that it CAN be copied relatively easily. They still do not take this into account and instead of adapting to it, they try to continue to function as if it is not possible and punish those who do not respect it. And so little would be enough... Why don't they offer different qualities at different prices? Why isn't their product available everywhere but limited by some obscure restrictions?
Yesterday I tried to order a digital copy of two CDs of an American band. I went directly to their site, saying I would buy straight from the source. I bought FLAC files, because why CDs, right? I normally filled in the necessary information and instead of them confirming my order, it jumped out at me that I was from a Restricted country. What do you think I did? I downloaded it for free. They have not adapted to the customer, they have nothing. In the end I had to buy the CD anyway Amazone, because a quarter of the downloaded songs are incomplete. But the bottom line is that why is there a restricted country like Afghanistan? I would understand that, when buying a CD, some postage costs and such, but FLAC for download?
At least hunting in the Czech Republic is illegal. It is illegal to share that file without the author's consent, but the loophole is that it is not illegal to run P2P programs (that is, programs that ensure a client-client connection). If you own the original, you can make any number of copies (in case you lose or damage the otiginal), but you must not share those copies, i.e. they are intended only for your own use or for the use of people close to you (which is the next space, as it is difficult to objectively define what a "close person" is, but as a rule it is people living in the same household with you).
Lovap, however, yes, correct comments, or questions about why they don't adapt. According to Jarys's logic, you would get the answer that you should wait until it can be bought in Slovakia too..Anyway, I only agree with you, they could have adapted to it a long time ago..but I think that illegal downloading also gives them a huge advertisement, take an example, you download a band's album, you like it, they come to a concert, so you support them by going to the concert and additionally you can buy the CD.. but if you didn't have the opportunity to download it, which band would you go to you don't even know, he probably didn't go..
8400: of course I meant download. Pinning to a website is illegal, downloading itself (if you don't share it at the same time) should still be legal. Of course, without uploaders there would be no downloading.
Ad advertising: this is of course another aspect. I also proceeded this way. He watched something on YouTube, then downloaded it, liked it, so I bought it. Those companies probably don't realize that a lot of people would buy, but often there is nothing to buy. after all, searching which downloaded copy works is sometimes quite tedious. It would be better if you could buy it, it's more convenient.